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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    A quick post to update this thread with respect to the 750 model.

    I am actually quite pleased to report that on the test bench we have been completely unable to find any repeatable performance differences from the 730 version. It is quite likely that in a very busy site in the real world there may indeed be some differences, but with all blades enabled we haven't found any circumstances where the throughput on the 730 became a bottleneck and so far can see no reason for paying the premium for a 750 appliance.

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor Rowley View Post
    A quick post to update this thread with respect to the 750 model.

    I am actually quite pleased to report that on the test bench we have been completely unable to find any repeatable performance differences from the 730 version. It is quite likely that in a very busy site in the real world there may indeed be some differences, but with all blades enabled we haven't found any circumstances where the throughput on the 730 became a bottleneck and so far can see no reason for paying the premium for a 750 appliance.
    Interesting, have you watched cpu usage on the 730 and 750? Can you tell if both cores are being used on the 730? If you look at the product sheet it makes it look like the 750 is twice as powerful so i would assume they didn't unlock both cores on the 730.

    Can you send this from a 730

    cat /proc/interrupts

    fw clt multik stat

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    # cat /proc/interrupts
    CPU0 CPU1
    25: 0 0 GIC vgic
    27: 0 0 GIC kvm guest timer
    29: 0 0 GIC arch_timer
    30: 25618263 25618263 GIC arch_timer
    33: 152159621 0 GIC al-nand
    49: 106 0 GIC serial
    53: 6375985 0 GIC fd880000.i2c-pld
    55: 4 0 GIC dw_spi0
    72: 6935211 0 GIC wifi0
    128: 0 0 GIC al-dma-comp-0@pci:0000:00:05.0
    129: 0 0 GIC al-dma-comp-1@pci:0000:00:05.0
    130: 0 0 GIC al-dma-comp-2@pci:0000:00:05.0
    131: 0 0 GIC al-dma-comp-3@pci:0000:00:05.0
    132: 0 0 GIC xhci_hcd
    133: 0 0 GIC xhci_hcd
    134: 0 0 GIC xhci_hcd
    135: 26 0 GIC al-crypto-comp-0@pci:0000:00:04.1
    136: 0 0 GIC al-crypto-comp-1@pci:0000:00:04.1
    137: 0 0 GIC al-crypto-comp-2@pci:0000:00:04.1
    138: 0 0 GIC al-crypto-comp-3@pci:0000:00:04.1
    139: 0 0 GIC al-crypto-interrupt-group-d@pci:0000:00
    140: 94 0 GIC al-crypto-comp-0@pci:0000:00:04.0
    141: 59 0 GIC al-crypto-comp-1@pci:0000:00:04.0
    142: 60 0 GIC al-crypto-comp-2@pci:0000:00:04.0
    143: 32 0 GIC al-crypto-comp-3@pci:0000:00:04.0
    144: 0 0 GIC al-crypto-interrupt-group-d@pci:0000:00
    145: 0 0 GIC al-eth-msix-mgmt@pci:0000:00:01.0
    146: 2901807 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-0@pci:0000:00:01.0
    147: 890330 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-1@pci:0000:00:01.0
    148: 2371408 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-2@pci:0000:00:01.0
    149: 1945533 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-3@pci:0000:00:01.0
    150: 13012213 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-0@pci:0000:00:01.0
    151: 69 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-1@pci:0000:00:01.0
    152: 0 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-2@pci:0000:00:01.0
    153: 0 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-3@pci:0000:00:01.0
    154: 0 0 GIC al-eth-msix-mgmt@pci:0000:00:00.0
    155: 0 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-0@pci:0000:00:00.0
    156: 0 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-1@pci:0000:00:00.0
    157: 0 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-2@pci:0000:00:00.0
    158: 0 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-3@pci:0000:00:00.0
    159: 0 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-0@pci:0000:00:00.0
    160: 0 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-1@pci:0000:00:00.0
    161: 0 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-2@pci:0000:00:00.0
    162: 0 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-3@pci:0000:00:00.0
    163: 0 0 GIC al-eth-msix-mgmt@pci:0000:00:02.0
    164: 14691411 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-0@pci:0000:00:02.0
    165: 6403 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-1@pci:0000:00:02.0
    166: 6336 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-2@pci:0000:00:02.0
    167: 6482 0 GIC al-eth-rx-comp-3@pci:0000:00:02.0
    168: 8718720 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-0@pci:0000:00:02.0
    169: 1230 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-1@pci:0000:00:02.0
    170: 0 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-2@pci:0000:00:02.0
    171: 0 0 GIC al-eth-tx-comp-3@pci:0000:00:02.0
    384: 1 0 pl061 gpio-pl061 s1_wan_interrupt
    385: 21 0 pl061 gpio-pl061 s1_sw_interrupt
    386: 3 0 pl061 gpio-pl061 s1_dmz_interrupt
    387: 0 0 pl061 gpio-pl061 Factory Reset
    IPI0: 0 1 CPU wakeup interrupts
    IPI1: 0 0 Timer broadcast interrupts
    IPI2: 2704045 3870691 Rescheduling interrupts
    IPI3: 0 0 Function call interrupts
    IPI4: 24 123 Single function call interrupts
    IPI5: 0 0 CPU stop interrupts
    Err: 0


    fw clt multik stat
    Usage: fw command args...

    Commands:
    fw fetch [targets] # Fetch last policy
    fw fetchlocal [args] # Fetch local policy
    fw fetchdefault [args] # Fetch default policy
    fw unloadlocal # Unload local policy
    fw monitor [-h] # Monitor Check Point appliance traffic
    fw stat [-h] # Display status
    fw tab [-h] # Kernel tables content
    fw debug [-h] # Turn debug output on/off
    fwaccel [-h] # Turn acceleration on/off
    fw ctl [args] # Control kernel
    fw pull_cert [-h] # Pull certificate from internal CA
    fw sic_init [args] # Initialize SIC
    fw sic_reset # Reset SIC
    fw sic_test [args] # Test SIC with management
    fw sfwd # fw daemon
    fw gen_initial_policy [-h] # Compile initial policy
    fw ver [-h] # Display version
    fw activation [-h] # Activate license
    fw avload [-h] av_sig_file_name # Load AV signatures to kernel
    fw cloud_activate [-h] # Connect device to cloud management
    fw check_available_firmware [-h] # Check for firmware updates and activate upon need
    fw notify_firmware_update [-h] # Sends a firmware update notification to the server
    fw log_server_activate [-h] # Sets log server
    fw cloud_reset_key [-h] # Resets the registration key to original or manual value

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    strange, that is the correct command.

    ps -axu

    and

    fw ctl affinity -a -l -v

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    Quote Originally Posted by jflemingeds View Post
    strange, that is the correct command.
    Yeah, kinda.

    The 700 series (I believe) are ARM processors, and run EmbeddedGaia, not the full RHEL-based Gaia we are all used to. It also uses BusyBox to make the whole OS smaller.

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    You made a typo in the command, it should be: fw ctl multik stat. (ctl was spelled clt)

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    oh nice call. You are correct.

    However.. the error output doesn't show its a valid command.
    Last edited by jflemingeds; 2016-03-11 at 19:42. Reason: wha wha whaaaaa

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    Quote Originally Posted by jflemingeds View Post
    oh nice call. You are correct.

    However.. the error output doesn't show its a valid command.
    ===

    The output is fine since your typo was basically a none existant argument (clt) of the fw command suite :-P
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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    Sorry if I post again, does the 700 series support HTTPS Inspection ?

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    Faber, I don't think it does. I checked through the admin guide and it doesn't say so.

    I'll be getting a 730 in the next few days to double-check :)

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    The hardware and software is definitely capable of it.
    However, you cannot configure HTTPS Inspection on the Cloud-based SMB management and you can't configure it on the local WebUI.
    The configuration can currently only be configured on regular SmartCenter management.

    This means:
    • 600/700 appliances do not support HTTPS Inspection
    • Locally managed 1100/1200R/1400 appliances do not support HTTPS Inspection
    • 1100/1200R/1400R appliances managed via SmartCenter support HTTPS Inspection

    Hope that clarifies things.
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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    Quote Originally Posted by PhoneBoy View Post
    The hardware and software is definitely capable of it.
    However, you cannot configure HTTPS Inspection on the Cloud-based SMB management and you can't configure it on the local WebUI.
    The configuration can currently only be configured on regular SmartCenter management.

    This means:
    • 600/700 appliances do not support HTTPS Inspection
    • Locally managed 1100/1200R/1400 appliances do not support HTTPS Inspection
    • 1100/1200R/1400R appliances managed via SmartCenter support HTTPS Inspection

    Hope that clarifies things.
    Thank you very much, unfortunately is too clear. :(
    I will update the first post so more evident for all. I really don't understand why this important feature it is not available for the new series 700.
    Neither paying for the license of SmartCenter it is possible to have the https inspection for the 700 Series.
    "Security Gateways without HTTPS Inspection are unaware of the content passed through the SSL encrypted tunnel. This makes the company vulnerable to security attacks and sensitive data leakage."
    I suppose who will use 700 series in some way they will have some workaround to prevent risk from "https sites"; maybe simple not allowing that protocol inside the company. Any suggestions ?

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    Quote Originally Posted by Faber View Post
    Thank you very much, unfortunately is too clear. :(
    I will update the first post so more evident for all. I really don't understand why this important feature it is not available for the new series 700.
    Neither paying for the license of SmartCenter it is possible to have the https inspection for the 700 Series.
    "Security Gateways without HTTPS Inspection are unaware of the content passed through the SSL encrypted tunnel. This makes the company vulnerable to security attacks and sensitive data leakage."
    I suppose who will use 700 series in some way they will have some workaround to prevent risk from "https sites"; maybe simple not allowing that protocol inside the company. Any suggestions ?
    You are going to find it hard NOT to use HTTPS at some point these days as a company. Even something as simple as going to google to do a search sends you to https. Does seem bad that cannot do HTTPS Inspection on these boxes. Unless is to artificially force you down the new 1400 route and potentially upsell.

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    I really find these boxes fascinating for some reason. I think the real question is how hard would it be to figure out what a policy push does to enable https inspection. The more i look at these the more it seems like there is a translation that happens during a policy push where checkpoint objects are converted into a sqlite database front ended by lua. keeping this in mind in theory it should be possible to enable https inspection with a few sql commands.

    I'm guessing it would be pretty easy to figure out.

    1. get a gateway in management (1100/1400/etc). Push policy to it.
    2. dump sqlite database (echo .dump | sqlite3 /flash/system.db > /logs/system-pre-https.txt)
    3. Enable ssl inspection and make sure its working.
    4. dump dalte database (echo .dump | sqlite3 /flash/system.db > /logs/system-post-https.txt)

    Diff txt files.

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    My guess is there's no sqlite entries for SSL inspection at all because that is pushed from regular Check Point management.
    However, I haven't checked or asked R&D, so take that for what it's worth.
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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    Yeah, i guess the question is how are objects stored when comparing local mgmt vs central.

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    We currently have a 730 in a site to site VPN.
    Just wondering anyone had any benchmarks with AES256 and the throughput seen? I was worried AES256 reduced the throughput to about 1/3rd of the appliance.
    Keen to hear real world scenarios.

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    Any rumors about the availability of Threat Emulation for 700 series for next quarters ?
    I don't know if in cloud or how ...

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    It seems to be coming up, whether in the next quarter on the one after (or the one after that) remains to be seen. It looks like it will have to be done in the cloud, if for no other reason than the resource limitations on the device itself.

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    Default Re: New SMB 700 Security Appliances (730 and 750)

    Even on regular appliances, the actual emulation is done on either a dedicated local appliance or in the cloud.
    I expect this would apply for the 700 series as well when it is eventually supported.
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